Biology of Trauma® Podcast
With Dr. Aimie Apigian MD, MS, MPH
Episode 72
What We Have Missed With Trauma-Informed Care: Boundaries, Attachment and Generational Impact
"So I would say emotional maturity means that I can stay related also to emotionally difficult circumstances, uh, and, and find a relationship to it.

And that also means that I am resilient in those moments. So then I can digest the stress versus distance myself from stress, and then I take it home somehow in a different way. "
~ Thomas Hubl

What We Have Missed With Trauma-Informed Care: Boundaries, Attachment and Generational Impact

Have you ever wondered if you’ve experienced trauma? Analyzing past events isn’t always helpful. Instead, focusing on your present nervous system experiences provides clarity.

In my most recent podcast, I discuss a new lens for understanding trauma with Thomas Hübl. His lifelong work integrates ancient wisdom with modern science to facilitate larger-scale trauma healing.

Thomas shares a fascinating perspective that expands our understanding tremendously.


What Is Trauma? Looking Beyond Checklists

One of the most common questions I receive is, “How do I know if I need trauma work?” 

In the past, I taught that being a trauma-informed physician meant assessing life events and making lists of trauma with my patients.  I’ve realized this past-focused approach can be counterproductive.

Tracking your current nervous system provides deeper insights. As he explains, trauma gets stored as “frozen sculptures” at specific ages within our bodies.

What do I do now? Rather than checklists, I have Biology of Trauma health coaching clients do a 3-day nervous system journal.  They track the state of their nervous system. 

I have clients monitor where their system spends time – parasympathetic, sympathetic or overwhelm.

This reveals so much about their internal experience now.

For example, one person felt anxious while sleeping and delayed getting up for 30 minutes. Their journal showed times when they were stuck in stress responses or shut down. 

It’s through tuning into one’s present patterns to illuminate if trauma work could help resolve one’s symptoms.


Healing Through Precise Attunement

Thomas shared how trauma therapists can facilitate powerful healing by precisely attuning to a client’s nervous system. When trauma isn’t resolved, it leaves “performed sculptures” frozen within us.

By sensitively tracking physical and emotional cues, Thomas senses where these imprints reside. 

Following each arising movement, he guides people to locate trauma’s roots.

He trusts the body’s intelligence to surface the right information through attunement. But the therapist must stay attuned, gently inviting exploration without defenses interfering.

This level of attunement makes resolution far more impactful than just storytelling. It addresses trauma’s source through the compensations, emotions, and patterns the body expresses. Tracking the nervous system allows deep healing.


Trauma’s Impact on Physical Health

Thomas provided insight into how unresolved trauma manifests physically. When trauma isn’t integrated, it affects the body’s coherence and information flow.

Certain areas become less energized over time. This loss of coherence is why trauma often leads to health issues. The imprints get stored at lower “data transfer rates,” creating disintegration in that area.

For example, Thomas guides clients who are experiencing abdominal pain to tune into that area. Then, he follows each new sensation, peeling back layers to the root causes – childhood events, ancestral influences, etc.

Rather than assumptions, he trusts the body to reveal the right information through attunement. 

This allows resolving trauma’s influence on physical symptoms by addressing its deeper nervous system imprints.


The Ancestral Influences on Healing

Thomas broadened our understanding that mental and physical health are interconnected. An individual is never separate but interdependent with larger fields of energy and information.

Our ancestral and collective experiences leave imprints that continuously impact well-being. Addressing these deeper influences facilitates more transformational healing.

For example, resolving attachment trauma requires acknowledging parents’ and grandparents’ traumas passed down genetically, epigenetically, and energetically.

By sensitively attuning to individual, ancestral, and collective layers through his approach, Thomas believes deeper physical resolution becomes possible. Sometimes, liquifying these ancestral imprints allows fuller healing.


Developing Emotional Maturity in Healthcare

To truly be trauma-informed, professionals must broaden how we understand trauma beyond checklists. 

We need to integrate scientific data and sensory information to grasp collective trauma’s effects.

Lack of emotional connection – our inability to attune to each other’s internal states – is itself symptomatic of collective wounds.

Developing emotional maturity lets healthcare workers effectively handle overwhelming situations. It involves regulating oneself to stay grounded when clients are dysregulated. Rather than distancing, we build resilience for new relationships.

By training in sensing abilities and ancestral attunement, we enhance how we hold space. 

Both hard skills and “soft” capacities transform how systems support translators. Our inner work cultivates self-regulation to sustain this work in the long term.


Integrating Defenses Through Curiosity

We all develop defense mechanisms for coping with overwhelm based on experiences. Initially helpful for protection, over time, they may disrupt healthy self-regulation if not addressed.

Rather than self-judgment, the goal is to integrate our defenses into higher functioning. Personal exploration reflecting on difficult emotions aids this. 

Group processing uncovers shared humanity.

Curiosity is key – seeking new options rather than rigid self-understanding. Opening to learning about our inner experience without distancing from discomfort allows transformation.

Developing boundaries through attunement instead of separation cultivates emotional maturity. Taking this learning stance models growth for clients, too.

Precise inner work and community support nurture the self-regulation needed to skillfully navigate life’s challenges long-term.


The Embodied Path to Wholeness

Embodiment practices play a central role in my trauma training program. Our modern disconnection of mind and body itself stems from collective wounds.

Through practices like my Foundational Journey, professionals begin reconnecting to their internal landscape. (Check out more on my Foundational Journey here!)

At first it feels unfamiliar, but we reinhabit the body as rich with data over time.

Aligning the mind, emotions, and body creates a unified flow through the central nervous system. 

This aligns with what’s expressed in our internal state, which is cultivating shared authenticity.

Opening to one’s sensations non-judgmentally lays the groundwork. Over my Foundational Journey, participants learn to track their nervous system without rushing for answers.

By reintegrating as a whole system, practitioners enhance how they show up personally and professionally. 

It expands possibilities for effectively supporting clients’ long-term healing.

This holistic, embodied approach offers a powerful path for resolving trauma’s impacts and becoming truly trauma-informed. 

If you’re seeking new perspectives for understanding trauma or deepening your skills, I invite you to explore this inclusive, nervous system-centered lens.

Here’s what you’ll learn in this podcast episode with Thomas Hubl:

  • How attachment can shape our emotional responses as adults
  • The impact of intergenerational and ancestral trauma on attachment 
  • Strategies to stay regulated and connected in relationships
  • The importance of looking at ancestral and collective influences 
  • Moving from distancing behaviors to being fully present in relationships
  • The role of flow, stagnation, and embodied practices in attachments

Related And Helpful Links

Related Supplements

Tri-magnesium Power – Magnesium will help our body replenish the depletion that happens with stress and stored trauma. 

Cellular Energy Support – to help the body have the energy to come out of the chronic functional freeze and chronic trauma responses.

Guides Mentioned In The Episode

The Essential Sequence Guide – This is a guide that will walk you through the sequential steps for addressing stored trauma in the body.  There is a specific order to safely open up, especially when we already have a chronic health symptom.  We want to create safety for our own bodies moving forward. 

The Essential Sequence Pocket Guide – This is a more condensed version of the above for professionals so you can easily digest the information needed to take some of these initial steps yourself in reflecting on your own throughout the day and helping to identify these things in your clients.

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  1. So much sense finally! Working with a host of both mental health and medical team has been my greatest love in my learning. We were lucky in our positions to work with a team of doctors on all levels and also talents where we are all open minded to listen and put egos away. I thoroughly enjoyed working as DMHP for the doctors and also as weekly team to work together. Some clinics do this well and some not as well, but the more the better to put away the egos and just enjoy the mutual interchange for the sake of the patient/client. It has been my luxury to be a family system specialist in my MA, clinical psychologist in BA and Ph.D programs, work as a CMHS and GMHS due to my to my learning. and certifications, endless growing in the fields, Education is our gift, lack of ego and desire to learn. for those patients/clients Hooray, Aimee and Dr. Hubi

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